1 question apropos wrestl, parry, dci and war-skills

[Romzay1988]

Would like to learn what formulas now on it shard for defense and an hit.

It's really strange that 120wrestling+45 dci work better then 120parry(100dex)+45dci

As i don't understand why 120(mace, sword, fens) has more chance of hit then 120archery, and thus cap for armor ignor archery 35 while for mace, sword and fens 45.

[Farland]

DCI doesn't affect parrying but only wrestling/sword/fencing/mace/archery.
wrestling/sword/fencing/mace/archery makes you evade shots and DCI increases that evade.
Parry instead is not influenced by dci, but just on it's own value.
Caps of ignore was set these way just for templates balance.

DCI non influenza parrying ma solo wrestling/sword/fencing/mace/archery.
wrestling/sword/fencing/mace/archery ti fanno schivare i colpi e DCI aumenta questa schivata.
Parry invece non è influenzata da DCI ma solo dal suo stesso valore.
Il cap di ignore è stato fissato così solo per bilanciamento dei template.

Se ho scritto castronate ditemelo.. Ma a me risulta così

[Romzay1988]

DCI doesn't affect parrying but only wrestling/sword/fencing/mace/archery.
wrestling/sword/fencing/mace/archery makes you evade shots and DCI increases that evade.
Parry instead is not influenced by dci, but just on it's own value.

i have pg 120 parry 100dex 120mace 45dci (it's war-mage) and other mage just 120wrestl 45dci. In war-mage hit more often then just mage. For this reason on shard now not war-mages...

Why the pg to which is established more requirements(necessarily lose 90skills on tacticks and so much stats on dex) is more vulnerable?

Caps of ignore was set these way just for templates balance.

ok. but why warrior 120skill 45hci have more chance for hit then archer 120skill 45hci? i was test it...archer hit ~ 3-4 from 10, warriors was hit ~7-8 from 10

[Dj_Amix]

The first check is made on combat skill + def,if this check is bypassed then parry comes in play (as you can see from the animation of a parried attack). So they may both fail to protect you. It's just a fact of luck sometimes.
120 dex + 100 parry = 35% that means that if a hit bypass the check of combatskill + def then 3 out of 10 hits (STATISTICALLY) CAN (not will) be parried

DCI and parry are not related since they're two different checks during an attack.
To use DCI you must have a combat skill as Farland said.
Parry can work alone without having a combat skill.



An archer doesnt hit less than a melee if they bot have the same skill level and the same hci and they attack the same target.

You must do many and many test and you will find out that what i say it's true. You cannot simply test 10 swings for each pg,it's superficial and doesnt mean a thing since it's not relevant statiscally.

About hitting,the formula is the same. Give me 5 min and i'll fetch it....

Here it is:
Hit Chance% = ( ( [Attacker's Combat Ability + 20] * [100% + Attacker's Hit Chance Increase] ) divided by
( [Defender's Combat Ability + 20] * [100% + Defender's Defense Chance Increase] * 2 ) ) * 100
If parry is present then there is another check depending on dex and parry level.

So if this formula is correct no matter what kind of weapon you use (bow or mace) your chance to hit a target is the same.
Obviously the target must be the same so it must have the same combat skill level and the same dci.

[Farland]

Mi aggrego qui.. So che per non avere malus alla parata bisogna avere 80 dex reali. Ho visto che parlavi di 100 dex qui sopra.. Puoi chiarirmi come funziona parry in generale a livello di percentuali e livelli di dex/skill?

[Dj_Amix]

Mi aggrego qui.. So che per non avere malus alla parata bisogna avere 80 dex reali. Ho visto che parlavi di 100 dex qui sopra.. Puoi chiarirmi come funziona parry in generale a livello di percentuali e livelli di dex/skill?

Qui su dreams è stata portata a 100 REALI (no pots\no item) la dex per poterne usufruire al 100%.

% Parata = (Parrying - Bushido) / 4 (ovviamente se sei umano i 20 passivi di bushido NON si contano)
Aggiungi un 5% se hai bushido o parry >= 100
Difatti 120\4 = 30% + 5% = 35%

Per il malus non so spiegarti quanto cambii poichè appunto hanno cambiato da 80 a 100 reali,ma credo cambi di poco il valore finale.

La formula orignale è così (se hai meno di 100 si calcola un modificatore): (80 - Dex) / 100 = modificatore se si ha dex < 100

Per poi raggiungere la % di parata finale se si ha meno della dex necessaria che è data da: (Parrying - Bushido) / 4 * (1 - modificatore) = % di parata con malus per dex < 100

Però per avere certezza e dati reali toccherebbe chiedere a chi ha scriptato questo fix,ma credo che almeno il modificatore sia rimasto invariato.

[Romzay1988]

Dj_Amix thx...
But i judge on the game, because to play for war-mage from some time it became problematic...and last 2 month i play for wrestler(but i not like this) because it's have more defence in battle.

Ok if dci work with any war skill - i simply wish to understand why JUST 120wresling+45dci(without additional requirements) more good defence then 120mace+120parry+45dci(with additional 90tacticks and 80dex)

[Dj_Amix]

Dj_Amix thx...
But i judge on the game, because to play for war-mage from some time it became problematic...and last 2 month i play for wrestler(but i not like this) because it's have more defence in battle.

Ok if dci work with any war skill - i simply wish to understand why JUST 120wresling+45dci(without additional requirements) more good defence then 120mace+120parry+45dci(with additional 90tacticks and 80dex)

Imho that is just your idea ,a feeling you have.
A more offensive mage is weaker in defending and curing himself plus you can be disarmed which means DEATH even if parry doesnt care about the combatskill.

I can suggest you one thing to try to agree with me:

make 1000swings on a macer 45dci parrier and 1000 swings on a wrestler 45dci made by the same pg.
You will find out for sure that is like i said since the formulas are equal for the attack and for the defense.

With parry you MAY have an additional 35% of chance to parry if the hit is not missed and it bypasses the combatskill+dci check.

Pay attention that a magical hit (dunno about velocity) if a hit is parried will take effect anyway. That is not a real hit.

p.s. this is how the script should work cause the formulas are like that,if there are any bugs well you can ask gm to check the script out.