Ma nessuno si è reso conto...

[Kohala]

Che è scoppiata la guerra tra Russia e Georgia?

[Suiseiseki]

Che è scoppiata la guerra tra Russia e Georgia?

Tanto di cappello a chi ha deciso di iniziare a spararsi seriamente durante le Olimpiadi, desu~

[batoiu]

Non ho capito bene il nesso


Per il topic, sì lo sapevo, e c'è pure stato un colpo di Stato in Mauritania, ma ho deciso di non postare qua perchè in effetti è il forum generale dell'utenza di gn, che non me ne voglia, ma ritengo piuttosto "poco incline" a discussioni di questa portata

[isterico]

ora il problema e' capire chi ha attaccato per primo
se la georgia protetta usa o la russia

la situazione e' caotica , non ho capito che e' successo
meno informazioni ci arrivano piu morti ci sono

[Suiseiseki]

Non ho capito bene il nesso

Beh, son stati abbastanza furbi a mio parere a decidere di muovere guerra proprio quando l'attenzione dei media sta concentrata in ben altro posto, ancor più per il fatto che tutti i media siano propensi a concentrarsi sui problemi vari ed eventuali della Cina, dal governo, all'inquinamento e a chissà cos'altro, desu~
Un doppio misdirection mica da poco, desu~

[Azazelcaos]

mancava una bella seconda guerra fredda ALE'!

Azazel

[batoiu]

Beh, son stati abbastanza furbi a mio parere a decidere di muovere guerra proprio quando l'attenzione dei media sta concentrata in ben altro posto, ancor più per il fatto che tutti i media siano propensi a concentrarsi sui problemi vari ed eventuali della Cina, dal governo, all'inquinamento e a chissà cos'altro, desu~
Un doppio misdirection mica da poco, desu~

Mah non so quanto c'entri la festa di Beijing, in fin dei conti la Georgia ha semplicemente fatto delle operazioni militari in una sua provincia, sì indipendente, ma ancora di fatto georgiana. La risposta russa è, come sempre da quando Putin è diventato il nuovo dittatore europeo, sproporzionata rispetto alla sua totale mancanza di sovranità su quel territorio. Comunque, il prestigio geopolitico che deriva da questi scompensi di potere nella zona caucasica giustifica le ingerenze di chi vuole ergersi a superpotenza.

[Giancagi]

Io ho vinto una pcw su Call Of Duty 2, Tedeschi vs Americani

[Hurlick_Nox]

purtroppo si, speriamo risolvano la cosa velocemente O_o nel modo migliore naturalmente

[max85]

Vedremo se gli USA risponderanno all'affronto o meno...

[Sanders]

Ma allora avevo sentito bene al tg, avevano dato la notizia praticamente in mezzo ai consigli gastronomici e senza servizio, dicendo velocissimo "icarrarmatirussisonoentratingeorgia ma chiediamo un consiglio allo chef!" tant'è che non avevo manco capito :/

[Kohala]

Lo so Ola, per questo mi chiedevo se qualcuno si fosse resoconto di quanto stesse accadendo.
Intanto, oltre a non fornire la notizia, tutte le nazioni hanno già espresso le loro dichiarazioni pubbliche, ad eccezione dell'Italia. E' una richiesta globale di cessate il fuoco.


International organizations
European Union - On August 9, Nicolas Sarkozy, President of France, who current holds the rotating presidency of the European Union, announced with American President George W. Bush that the EU and the USA will send a joint delegation to try and negotiate a cease fire.

NATO - NATO's official website posted the following statement from the NATO Secretary General: "The NATO Secretary General, Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, is seriously concerned about the events that are taking place in the Georgian region of South Ossetia and said that the Alliance is closely following the situation. The Secretary General calls on all sides for an immediate end of the armed clashes and direct talks between the parties".

Red Cross International - The International Red Cross urged the combatant sides to make a humanitarian corridor to evacuate the wounded and civilians from Tskhinvali.

United Nations - On August 7, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon voiced grave concern over the escalation of violence and urged all parties to the conflict to "refrain from any actions that might jeopardize the situation further and pose threat to stability in the region". On August 8 at GMT 4 a.m. an emergency session of the UN Security Council was held to discuss the situation. The session was requested by Russia. The session failed to reach an agreement that would have called on Georgia and the separatists to immediately halt all fighting, but expressed its concern over the renewed conflict.


States
Armenia - The Armenian Foreign Ministry said Yerevan is closely monitoring the situation and urging the conflicting parties to call a halt to military operations. "We are certainly concerned about the situation and hope that a solution will be found very quickly," Deputy Foreign Minister Gegham Gharibjanian told RFE/RL. "We hope that the parties will make maximum efforts to quickly stop bloodshed and find peaceful solutions to contentious issues," he said.

Azerbaijan - A spokesman for the Azeri Foreign Ministry, Khazar Ibrahim, said that the Georgian actions were in accord with international law and that Azerbaijan recognizes the territorial integrity of Georgia.

Canada - Canada's Minister of Foreign Affairs, David Emerson, released the following statement: "Canada is gravely concerned about the recent violence in South Ossetia, and we deplore the casualties that have resulted. We call for an immediate halt to the hostilities and strongly urge all parties involved to display restraint in words and deeds, and to respect national boundaries. Canada stands ready to work with its partners in the United Nations and in the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe to support efforts toward a peaceful resolution of the conflict."

People's Republic of China - A spokesman for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China said that PRC was "seriously concerned" with the violence and called for an immediate ceasefire.

Estonia - The Estonian Ministry of Foreign Affairs issued a statement on August 8th calling for an immediate stop to the hostilities to avoid further casualties, and starting peaceful negotiations. The statement suggests that the basis for these negotiations could be the proposal by the Georgian president to guarantee broad autonomy for South-Ossetia. For a quick solution the European Union and OSCE are expected to respond adequately and international efforts should be closely coordinated. Estonia supports the intermediation proposal by Finland. Estonia is ready, in keeping with its capability, to take part in humanitarian assistance.

Finland - Finnish Foreign Minister Alexander Stubb, also serving as the OSCE chairman-in-office, has been in contact with both Tbilisi and Tskhinvali, urging the parties to stop any military action and to try and restore direct talks instead. He has decided to deploy his Special Envoy immediately to Georgia, and is also himself preparing to travel to the region.

France - France has been trying to urge both sides reach a ceasefire.

Germany - Foreign Minister Steinmeier has stated being "appalled by the escalation of violence" and demanded that "all combat has to be ceased immediately" on August 8th. He urged the international community prevent "tensions, violence and looming war" from "spreading throughout the Caucasus".

Iceland - The Icelandic Minister for Foreign Affairs Ingibjörg Sólrún Gísladóttir has in a statement from the Ministry called on the belligerents to preserve civilians and demands a quick end to the hostilities with a peaceful solution.

Israel - On August 5th, it was reported by Stratfor and Russia Today that Israel planned to halt arms sales to Georgia because of Russian objections.

Kazakhstan - Following Vladimir Putin's remarks, the President of Kazakhstan, Nursultan Nazarbayev, said "The Georgian leadership was not right when it failed to inform [other nations] on its actions toward South Ossetia and about higher tensions taking place there". Interfax also reported that Nazarbayev "agreed with Putin's view that countries of the Commonwealth of Independent States should make an assessment of the situation and undertake efforts to halt it".

Latvia - The Latvian Minister of Foreign Affairs phoned to Georgian Minister of Foreign Affairs and stated that Latvia supports territorial integrity and sovereignty of Georgia and stressed that use of military force should be avoided and current situation should be solved in negotiations. He also said that Russia should use its influence in South Ossetia to stop Ossetian provocations and expressed hope that Russia will not get militarily involved.

Lithuania - On August 7th, President of Lithuania, Valdas Adamkus, received a phone call from the President of Georgia Mikheil Saakashvili. Saakashvili asked Lithuania’s president to help inform heads of the European Union and other western states of the situation in the region. Adamkus assured that Lithuania would inform other European partners about the situation in Georgia and would seek adequate attention and assistance from the European Union in dealing with the situation. On August 8, Lithuanian Foreign Affairs Minister Petras Vaitiekūnas was sent to Georgia. He will be there to inform the EU partners about the situation in Georgia. Lithuania is also evacuating about 50 of its citizens from conflict regions.

Netherlands - Dutch prime minister Jan-Peter Balkenende spoke with Vladimir Putin and Nicolas Sarkozy in Beijing where expressed his concerns on the situation. He pointed out the importance of preventing as much violence as possible and how there should be worked on achieving stabilisation.

Poland - Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs has published the following statement on its website: "MFA of Poland is very disturbed by the situation in the region of South Ossetia in Georgia. MFA thinks it is unacceptable for foreign military forces to attack Georgian territory. MFA is calling to both sides of the conflict to cease fire and return to negotiations. MFA reminds that it is important to provide safety for international humanitarian organisations, especially OBWE and Red Cross International and safely evacuate civilians from the war zone. MFA is calling state and international organisations to engage in the process of solving the conflict in the region of South Ossetia in Georgia and to help bring the situation back to normal while respecting Georgian borders.

Sweden - Swedish Minister for Foreign Affairs Carl Bildt said in a statement: "The way in which the situation in South Ossetia has deteriorated is cause for profound concern. It is extremely important that all those involved show restraint and play their part in bringing about a political solution," ... "I am particularly concerned about the impact of the conflict on civilians. Georgia and Russia are dangerously close to war and there is a great risk of this spreading to other parts of the Caucasus." Bildt further stated that the crisis is due to "provocations from the South Ossetian side" and that the Georgian forces are trying to "restore the constitutional order". and that the Russian bombing of Georgia is "very worrying and will demand a forceful reaction from the United Nations and the European Union."

Turkey - Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has said that the fighting is a grave concern for Turkey, which neighbors Georgia. Erdoğan has called for an immediate cease-fire and has said that he would call Georgian and Russian leaders to urge restraint if necessary. Later on that day, Turkey agreed to a Georgian request to supply 30-40 MW of electricity to Georgia.

[Kohala]

Ukraine - The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine called to all sides to stop fire immediately and to start solving the problem by negotiations. Ukraine has confirmed its position of support of Georgian territorial integrity and sovereignty. It was stated that Ukraine is ready to make its contribution to peaceful resolution of the region's conflict within the framework of international diplomatic efforts. Ukranian president Viktor Yushchenko, has sent his special representative Kostyantyn Yelisyeyev to Tbilisi as a result of phone conversation of Georgian President Saakashvili. The aims of the visit are consultations with Georgian authorities and representatives of OSCE, investigation of the situation in the region and presenting of the Ukrainian position on peaceful resolution of conflict. The Foreign Ministry also called on Russia to remove its troops from Georgia and pressure the "separatist regime" to negotiations.

United Kingdom - The Foreign and Commonwealth Office states on its website that it is 'monitoring developments in Georgia following news that there has been heavy fighting between Georgian forces and South Ossetian separatists. We urge an immediate ceasefire in the fighting in South Ossetia and for a resumption of direct dialogue between all parties.'

United States - After the GMT 4:00 8 August UN Security Council meeting, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Daniel Fried said that it appeared that the South Ossetians were the provokers of the violence. Fried said, "We have urged the Russians to urge their South Ossetian friends to pull back and show greater restraint. And we believe that the Russians ... are trying to do just that." White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe said on 8 August, "All sides should bring an immediate end to the violence and engage in direct talks to resolve this matter peacefully." Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice later stated: "We call on Russia to cease attacks on Georgia by aircraft and missiles, respect Georgia's territorial integrity, and withdraw its ground combat forces from Georgian soil."

[batoiu]

Vi ricordo che il governo Berlusconi è in una posizione di grave imbarazzo, essendosi autodichiarato onesto e fedele alleato di Putin ( il gesto del mitra di Berlusconi all'ultimo meeting con il dittatore arlava chiaro), e non potendo discostarsi troppo dai diktat di Bush e Condoleezza

[xXxREQUIEMxXx]

Uhm... Dopo il giochetto fatto dalla Russia all'ultimo summit NATO a discapito di Georgia e Ucraina, c'era da aspettarselo...